HC:
Thanks for the reasonable questions.
How's this for a starter:
then this:
US slams ‘irresponsible’ calls by Smotrich and Ben Gvir for emigration of Gazans
State Dept issues rare, unprompted critique of ministers by name, days after Biden pressed PM to rein in far-right partners; Ben Gvir unfazed: ‘We are not another star in the US flag’
Earlier:
Defense minister announces 'complete siege' of Gaza
The Times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com › liveblog_entry › defense...
Oct 9, 2023 — “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says .
Or look to the terrorist actions of pre-Holocaust Palestine as paradigm:
2. Refugees: The 1966 UN Congress on the right of return and Israel's continuing defiance, especially in light of some of Ben Gurion's famous pre-Holocaust Zionist quotes:
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. …
...Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
— David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
How about this?
“We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return.”
David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar’s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
So more about refugees:
"The right to return is most clearly enshrined in the 1966 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) under its provisions on the right to freedom of movement (Article 12). More.. International refugee law and international human rights law mutually reinforce each other on the right to return."
So, let's get a few things straight.
If you are stateless. Then to whom to you belong?
What national right of recognition do you have?
Nothing.
Therefore, you still should still belong to, and have the right to return to, the land almost all of your people were driven from.
IOW, they are still refugees, regardless of the trans-generational nature of their diaspora or, as the Palestinians call it, the Nakba.
They were fleeing Israeli terrorist actions, like...
"The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when Zionist paramilitaries attacked the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, killing at least 107 Palestinian villagers, including women and children. The attack was conducted primarily by the Irgun and Lehi, who were supported by the Haganah and Palmac."
It was a psych-op against a civilian population.
But allowing 2.1 million Palestinians back to Israel would mean adding them to the 2.2 million Israeli Arabs already part of a Jewish State...total population of Israel is 9 million.
That would mean almost half would Arab...how could Israel continue to call itself a Jewish state?
No, far better to continue a reign of terror to this day in both Gaza and The West Bank with 700,000 illegal settlers, armed by the same National Security Minister Itamir Ben-Gvir.
So, there's been no real noticeable paradigm shift, and if an Israeli politician were idealistic enough to suggest a right of return or a two state solution?
Well, he'd end up dead, wouldn't he?
Yitzhak Rabin come to mind?
"The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, the fifth prime minister of Israel, took place on 4 November 1995 at 21:30, at the end of a rally in support of the Oslo Accords at the Kings of Israel Square in Tel Aviv."
My apologies if you thought that my writing was hyperbole or emotionally over-responsive.
I lived in Israel for two months. Worked on a Kibbutz.
Shocked senseless, as I have written before, by Vad Vashem in Jerusalem.
When I returned to University, I read everything I could on Middle-Eastern history.
My conclusion was that the Palestinians had nothing to do with European Genocidal madness, and nothing to do with the 1898-1938 Zionist Congress plans for the creation of an Israeli state.
Why should the Palestinians have to pay and pay and pay?
So I stand by my definition of both an Israeli drive to ethnically cleanse parts of both Gaza and the West Bank and to keep them refugees.
Lastly, as a Hippie Capitalist, I am curious about your thoughts on who gets the Oil and Gas off the coast of Gaza and under The West Bank.
The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTD) issued a study in 2019 stating in part, “Geologists and resources economists have confirmed that the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt) lies above sizeable reservoirs of oil and natural gas wealth…” The report went on to express concerns that these are ...Jan 9, 2024
And...
In June, Israel approved the development of Gaza Marine, the strip of water off the Gazan coast containing an estimated 1tn cubic feet of natural gas.
Thanks again for reading.
Daryl